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Last month on the Old Mole Laurie Mercier spoke with Ussama Makdisi, professor of modern Midde East history at UC Berkeley, who along with brothers Saree and Karim Makdisi co-host the podcast Makdisi Street. (The original segment can be heard here: Podcasting for Palestine). On this episode, we play excerpts from a recent Makdisi Street podcast, titled “Israel is a Dependent Empire,” in which they discuss shifting public opinion of Israel’s brutal genocide and the daily horrific images from Gaza that will haunt us forever. Laurie's interview can be accessed here.